back when mcafee had their catastrophic false positive i made the suggestion that av vendors in general (and mcafee in particular) could use a whitelist of critical system files to avoid false alarms that render systems unbootable/unusable. basically the idea being that known trusted files could be ignored by anti-malware components prone to false alarm. in the comments of that post didier stevens suggested checking digital signatures of files could be used as an alternative. at first i thought that was an OK compromise to developing a proper whitelist of critical files, but recent events have made me rethink that.
as kaspersky's alexander gostev described, a digital signature will cause a file to be regarded as trusted by security software, much like didier suggested in his comment, and if it's malware that means it will be effectively hidden from the anti-malware software.
i think that's a pretty glaring problem and underscores the fact that digital signatures are a poor substitute for a proper whitelist. a proper whitelist is constructed of items that are known and trusted, but with digital signatures it's neither the anti-malware vendor nor the user who's constructing this implied whitelist. instead, the implicit whitelist is constructed jointly by every tom, dick, and harry who happens by hook or by crook to get his/her hands on a valid digital certificate. that means the people who make the determination of whether a file is safe and/or trustworthy are (generally) the same ones who created it. however, those people could lie, they could fail to actually check the safety/integrity of the file they're signing, or they might not even be qualified to check the safety/integrity of the file they're signing. even if the owner of the digital certificate used to sign the file is a trustworthy entity, that doesn't mean the file is also trustworthy. first and foremost, trust is not commutative. besides that, though, as the stuxnet example shows us, the certificate can fall into the wrong hands. treating digital signatures as whitelist entries creates a situation where altogether too many entities have influence over what is considered trusted and safe.
thus digital signatures can not tell us what we need a whitelist to tell us, namely that the file is trusted and safe. the presence of a valid digital signature only tells us two things: that the file was signed with certificate X (which may or may not be under the exclusive control of the party it was issued to), and that the file hasn't changed since it was signed. whether it's safe, whether it's fit for use, is entirely outside the scope of what a digital signature can tell us.
i think the idea of using a whitelist to avoid false alarms is a good one, but using digital signatures in it's place is a shortcut. av vendors need to stop cutting corners and implement proper whitelists for this particular application. there are already tens of thousands of digitally signed malware samples in f-secure's collection so i'm at a loss trying to figure out why this technique of false positive avoidance hasn't been abandoned already. now that news that detections of stuxnet didn't start until after the digital signature expired, malware authors will surely be looking to exploit this behaviour more and more.
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Showing posts with label digital signatures. Show all posts
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Tuesday, September 04, 2007
file infecting viruses vs digital signatures
vesselin's comments to my previous article inspired me to consider actual attack scenarios rather than just weaknesses in a proposed system so i've turned the title of this entry around to indicate more focus on the threats rather than the vulnerabilities...
in one of the responses to the comments i posited a scenario where a malicious entity compromises a legitimate software vendor and infects their software in such a way that they distribute infected programs with valid digital signatures and which can in turn sign executables they infect... today nishad herath posted a similar scenario over at the mcafee avert blog so at least i'm not the only one who thought of this possibility...
but you know what, that's actually a rather complicated scenario so i got to thinking maybe there's a simpler one... then it dawned on me; the premise for this protective technique is to manage the integrity of files and the assumption is that you can't infect files without changing them and thus affecting their integrity... it turns out that this assumption is wrong - certain types of companion viruses can infect a host program without modifying it at all... so if a malicious entity were to get a certificate they could easily sign their companion virus with it and so long as no one figured out the entity was signing malicious code their certificate would never be revoked and the virus could spread unhindered... and in joanna's world where digital signatures replace all the tricks that are used to detect the presence of viruses there would be nothing to alert the general public that the code was malicious and the certificate should be revoked...
ouch, that seems pretty damning, doesn't it... but you know what, companion viruses were always pretty obscure... it wasn't a particularly popular strategy in part because the extra files gave it away to those who were looking for extra files (oh, another one of those nasty virus detection tricks joanna thinks we can do without)... ok, so then how about a virus that inserts the host program into a copy of itself, rather than itself into the host program (the so-called amoeba infection technique) and then signs this new copy with the aforementioned maliciously obtained certificate? once again, a digital signature based whitelist isn't going to stop this from happening...
now that takes care of one of the aspects that kept companion viruses obscure but it doesn't really improve on the obscurity itself as this technique is even more obscure that companion infection... if you've followed me to this stage perhaps something else has dawned on you - if a virus can sign a copy of itself with a host program inside of it, why shouldn't it be able to sign a host program that it had inserted a copy of itself into using a completely conventional infection technique and the malicious entity's certificate? the answer is there is no reason it can't...
so it would seem that a digital signature based whitelist where vendors sign their own programs (effectively vouching for the safety of their own code) wouldn't really prevent file infecting viruses at all if that were the only thing the world were using... you still need all sorts of tricks to figure out when a vendor's certificate can't be trusted anymore, which points back to a fundamental problem with this kind of self-signing system - it correlates identity (which is the only thing a certificate authority can test) with trustworthiness in spite of the fact that they don't actually have anything to do with each other... just because the vendor's front man is who he says he is and hasn't done anything bad in the past (that anyone knows of) doesn't mean the vendor itself isn't a malicious entity... currently, standard certificates (like the ones used for websites) have become so easy for anyone to get that they've become meaningless and this lead to the creation of extended validation certificates which simply involves more in-depth investigation of the entity and which in turn has no bearing on what the entity will do after getting the certificate... i can see no way for a digital signature system for code to work any different than the one used for websites so the same problem will apply; and then even if we somehow figure out that the entity cannot be trusted, their virus(es) will continue to spread until a revocation is issued for their certificate and that information trickls down to all the affected systems...
trusting the vendor (or whatever else you want to call the software provider) to attest to the trustworthiness of their own software just seems far too naive from a security standpoint, which is why i originally didn't even consider it to be the model joanna had been talking about... a system where independent reviewers checked programs for malicious code before signing them (essentially certifying programs rather than program providers) seemed to be a safer solution, though it's got the same scaling problems that conventional centrally managed whitelists have... a system that certifies programs rather than program providers would be less vulnerable to the scenarios mentioned here (i think only a variation on the first one should be able to allow viruses to still spread) but either way, both options still allow viruses to operate if used on their own... at best (and by now this should sound familiar) digital signature based whitelists should be something we use with the more conventional tricks we're used to, not instead of them as joanna rutkowska would like you to believe...
in one of the responses to the comments i posited a scenario where a malicious entity compromises a legitimate software vendor and infects their software in such a way that they distribute infected programs with valid digital signatures and which can in turn sign executables they infect... today nishad herath posted a similar scenario over at the mcafee avert blog so at least i'm not the only one who thought of this possibility...
but you know what, that's actually a rather complicated scenario so i got to thinking maybe there's a simpler one... then it dawned on me; the premise for this protective technique is to manage the integrity of files and the assumption is that you can't infect files without changing them and thus affecting their integrity... it turns out that this assumption is wrong - certain types of companion viruses can infect a host program without modifying it at all... so if a malicious entity were to get a certificate they could easily sign their companion virus with it and so long as no one figured out the entity was signing malicious code their certificate would never be revoked and the virus could spread unhindered... and in joanna's world where digital signatures replace all the tricks that are used to detect the presence of viruses there would be nothing to alert the general public that the code was malicious and the certificate should be revoked...
ouch, that seems pretty damning, doesn't it... but you know what, companion viruses were always pretty obscure... it wasn't a particularly popular strategy in part because the extra files gave it away to those who were looking for extra files (oh, another one of those nasty virus detection tricks joanna thinks we can do without)... ok, so then how about a virus that inserts the host program into a copy of itself, rather than itself into the host program (the so-called amoeba infection technique) and then signs this new copy with the aforementioned maliciously obtained certificate? once again, a digital signature based whitelist isn't going to stop this from happening...
now that takes care of one of the aspects that kept companion viruses obscure but it doesn't really improve on the obscurity itself as this technique is even more obscure that companion infection... if you've followed me to this stage perhaps something else has dawned on you - if a virus can sign a copy of itself with a host program inside of it, why shouldn't it be able to sign a host program that it had inserted a copy of itself into using a completely conventional infection technique and the malicious entity's certificate? the answer is there is no reason it can't...
so it would seem that a digital signature based whitelist where vendors sign their own programs (effectively vouching for the safety of their own code) wouldn't really prevent file infecting viruses at all if that were the only thing the world were using... you still need all sorts of tricks to figure out when a vendor's certificate can't be trusted anymore, which points back to a fundamental problem with this kind of self-signing system - it correlates identity (which is the only thing a certificate authority can test) with trustworthiness in spite of the fact that they don't actually have anything to do with each other... just because the vendor's front man is who he says he is and hasn't done anything bad in the past (that anyone knows of) doesn't mean the vendor itself isn't a malicious entity... currently, standard certificates (like the ones used for websites) have become so easy for anyone to get that they've become meaningless and this lead to the creation of extended validation certificates which simply involves more in-depth investigation of the entity and which in turn has no bearing on what the entity will do after getting the certificate... i can see no way for a digital signature system for code to work any different than the one used for websites so the same problem will apply; and then even if we somehow figure out that the entity cannot be trusted, their virus(es) will continue to spread until a revocation is issued for their certificate and that information trickls down to all the affected systems...
trusting the vendor (or whatever else you want to call the software provider) to attest to the trustworthiness of their own software just seems far too naive from a security standpoint, which is why i originally didn't even consider it to be the model joanna had been talking about... a system where independent reviewers checked programs for malicious code before signing them (essentially certifying programs rather than program providers) seemed to be a safer solution, though it's got the same scaling problems that conventional centrally managed whitelists have... a system that certifies programs rather than program providers would be less vulnerable to the scenarios mentioned here (i think only a variation on the first one should be able to allow viruses to still spread) but either way, both options still allow viruses to operate if used on their own... at best (and by now this should sound familiar) digital signature based whitelists should be something we use with the more conventional tricks we're used to, not instead of them as joanna rutkowska would like you to believe...
Sunday, September 02, 2007
digital signatures vs file infecting viruses
so joanna rutkowska actually talks about things other than so-called rootkits... this time (i won't link to the article for known reasons) it's file infecting viruses...
from the article:
but let's assume we do solve that problem... so if the file isn't signed then it doesn't run and if the file's signature is invalid then it doesn't run... the presence of a valid signature is assumed to mean that the file is a) not bad and b) hasn't had anything bad put into it after signing, but is that a valid assumption? given that mobile spyware can get digitally signed by symbian, i think not, at least not for the first part of the assumption... currently digital signatures like the ones joanna holds up as examples are meant to prove authenticity, not safety... putting the onus on the signatories to determine whether the code they're signing is safe doesn't solve any malware problem, it just offloads it onto the signatory... this is also not a small problem: distinguishing good from bad is and always has been the problem and offloading it onto someone else doesn't make it any easier to solve...
the second part of the assumption, that verified signature implies nothing bad has been put into the file, may well be true, assuming that the verification system itself hasn't been compromised... the digital signature proves authenticity and one of the prerequisites for authenticity is integrity and that's really the underlying ingredient here - managing system integrity... any application whitelist worth it's salt already keeps track of the integrity of the executables on the whitelist, otherwise it would be trivial to fool it by simply replacing a whitelisted application with a piece of malware with the same filename... but as yisreal radai showed in his paper "integrity checking for anti-viral purposes: theory and practice" (sorry, no suitable non-vx links at this time), systems that detect changes to the integrity of files are subject to attack and one based on digital signatures is no different... the signing key could be stolen (there's been malware designed to steal cryptographic keys in the past) and then generating valid signatures for infected files would be trivial, the key used to verify the signatures could be altered (either on disk or dynamically in memory) by a malicious process that has already been signed, or if the system allows adding new keys then one could be added maliciously that would allow the files to be modified (infected) and then resigned with the new key to trick the system into thinking the file's integrity is intact... in fact, taking a cue from the developers of stealth technology under windows, one could simply change the result returned by the signature verification function... in order to be immune from attack, an integrity checking system has to be offline and out of reach of the attacker, and that's not compatible with a system that checks integrity in real-time to prevent modified files from running...
of course there are other problems too... it's not just deciding what to sign, ensuring the signatures are themselves trustworthy, and finding the resources to sign every good program in existence... there's also the classic whitelist problem of deciding what to do in an environment where programs are being created (or even what's a program in the first place)... are we going to digitally sign word documents? yes? ok, and will that stop macro virus infection? no of course not... there are plenty of macro viruses that infect a document when the document is saved - a point at which a new digital signature would have to be created anyways... then when the person we send the document to opens it the virus runs and then proceeds to infect documents that person creates or modifies (and then signs) and so on and so on...
again, from the article:
joanna may have wanted to use this to demonstrate the way security solutions ought to be in an ideal world, but the world is not ideal, and the virus problem as well as the many varied ways of addressing it are not as simple as she portrays them... thus her example of security gone wrong has no legs... in the real world there is a counter-measure for every protective measure, and elegance (subjective as it is) cannot be the basis upon which the measures we take are judged...
from the article:
But could the industry have solved the problem of file infectors in an elegant, definite way? The answer is yes and we all know the solution – digital signatures for executable files. Right now, most of the executables (but unfortunately still not all) on the laptop I’m writing this text on are digitally signed. This includes programs from Microsoft, Adobe, Mozilla and even some open source ones like e.g. True Crypt.first things first - this is essentially a whitelist technique (with the added bonus that the cryptographic component allows the proof of whitelist membership to be shipped with the file instead of requiring a lookup in a very big list) with all associated fundamental problems... think the problem of signing all good programs is small and will probably be solved? maybe for suitably large values of small... if you're going to focus on identifying good files instead of bad ones you have to keep in mind that the good files outnumber the bad by orders of magnitude and grows at an even faster rate... conceptually signing all good programs is simple, but in practice it's very, very hard...
With digital signatures we can "detect" any kind of executable modifications, starting form the simplest and ending with those most complex, metamorphic EPO infectors as presented e.g. by Z0mbie. All we need to do (or more precisely the OS needs to do) is to verify the signature of an executable before executing it.
I hear all the counter arguments: that many programs out there are still not digitally signed, that users are too stupid to decide which certificates to trust, that sometimes the bad guys might be able to obtain a legitimate certificate, etc...
But all those minor problems can be solved and probably will eventually be solved in the coming years. Moreover, solving all those problems will probably cost much less then all the research on file infectors cost over the last 20 year. But that also means no money for the A/V vendors.
but let's assume we do solve that problem... so if the file isn't signed then it doesn't run and if the file's signature is invalid then it doesn't run... the presence of a valid signature is assumed to mean that the file is a) not bad and b) hasn't had anything bad put into it after signing, but is that a valid assumption? given that mobile spyware can get digitally signed by symbian, i think not, at least not for the first part of the assumption... currently digital signatures like the ones joanna holds up as examples are meant to prove authenticity, not safety... putting the onus on the signatories to determine whether the code they're signing is safe doesn't solve any malware problem, it just offloads it onto the signatory... this is also not a small problem: distinguishing good from bad is and always has been the problem and offloading it onto someone else doesn't make it any easier to solve...
the second part of the assumption, that verified signature implies nothing bad has been put into the file, may well be true, assuming that the verification system itself hasn't been compromised... the digital signature proves authenticity and one of the prerequisites for authenticity is integrity and that's really the underlying ingredient here - managing system integrity... any application whitelist worth it's salt already keeps track of the integrity of the executables on the whitelist, otherwise it would be trivial to fool it by simply replacing a whitelisted application with a piece of malware with the same filename... but as yisreal radai showed in his paper "integrity checking for anti-viral purposes: theory and practice" (sorry, no suitable non-vx links at this time), systems that detect changes to the integrity of files are subject to attack and one based on digital signatures is no different... the signing key could be stolen (there's been malware designed to steal cryptographic keys in the past) and then generating valid signatures for infected files would be trivial, the key used to verify the signatures could be altered (either on disk or dynamically in memory) by a malicious process that has already been signed, or if the system allows adding new keys then one could be added maliciously that would allow the files to be modified (infected) and then resigned with the new key to trick the system into thinking the file's integrity is intact... in fact, taking a cue from the developers of stealth technology under windows, one could simply change the result returned by the signature verification function... in order to be immune from attack, an integrity checking system has to be offline and out of reach of the attacker, and that's not compatible with a system that checks integrity in real-time to prevent modified files from running...
of course there are other problems too... it's not just deciding what to sign, ensuring the signatures are themselves trustworthy, and finding the resources to sign every good program in existence... there's also the classic whitelist problem of deciding what to do in an environment where programs are being created (or even what's a program in the first place)... are we going to digitally sign word documents? yes? ok, and will that stop macro virus infection? no of course not... there are plenty of macro viruses that infect a document when the document is saved - a point at which a new digital signature would have to be created anyways... then when the person we send the document to opens it the virus runs and then proceeds to infect documents that person creates or modifies (and then signs) and so on and so on...
again, from the article:
So, do I want to say that all those years of A/V research on detecting file infections was a waste time? I’m afraid that is exactly what I want to say here. This is an example of how the security industry took a wrong path, the path that never could lead to an effective and elegant solution. This is an example of how people decided to employ tricks, instead looking for generic, simple and robust solutions.unfortunately a digital signature based whitelist is no elegant solution either... whitelisting for anti-viral purposes dates back at least as far as thunderbyte anti-virus and there have always been ways to manually check the integrity of transfered files to make sure they haven't been altered from what original vendor was distributing by using crc's, hashes, and even digital signatures... a digital signature based whitelist makes certain aspects of usage a little more convenient, but it doesn't mitigate the inherent problems of a whitelist...
joanna may have wanted to use this to demonstrate the way security solutions ought to be in an ideal world, but the world is not ideal, and the virus problem as well as the many varied ways of addressing it are not as simple as she portrays them... thus her example of security gone wrong has no legs... in the real world there is a counter-measure for every protective measure, and elegance (subjective as it is) cannot be the basis upon which the measures we take are judged...
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